Flagstick In or Out?

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By NorthTXTitleistGuy

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  1. NorthTXTitleistGuy

    NorthTXTitleistGuy
    Texas

    Military

    I have always been the traditionalist of pulling the pin. Chipping I'd leave it in, putting it even from the frog hairs, I would pull it. But why? It was conjecture and feelings - until I saw the data reports from MyGolfSpy. There are 2 sets of data - stiff flagstick and a flimsy flagstick. I imagine you can make your own determination of which is which, and actually you want a rigid flagstick as it turns out. Below is the data from the extensive testing, and it is undeniable that leaving the flagstick in is a true advantage. I'm not saying I can easily get used to it or even like it but this is what it says. Now... having said that, I am still curious about 1 thing: I have seen times where if the hole is cut on the side hill of a green and the pin is seemingly leaning to one side or the other, is it still true of the below data? Putt breaks right to left from 10ft away, you're easing it in on the right side of the cup but the pin is leaning to that side so it isn't an equal distance away from the cup on both sides.

    Thoughts? Are you pulling the pin? Would it affect your confidence in the putt going in?

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  2. Guy W

    Guy W
    Statesville, NC

    I have no preference either way, but I do tend to pull the pin when I have a say 5-10 foot putt with some moderate break. It may be me, but it makes me feel better knowing that my ball will be coming in more from the side and the possibility of a glancing blow off the stick is there. I will leave it in for longer putts. Short putts, sometimes in sometimes out. Depends on if I feel lazy lol. When playing with others, it's what is most agreeable for everyone.
  3. Frank P

    Frank P
    Port St. Lucie, FL

    Military
    I leave it in.
  4. Eric H

    Eric H
    Ridgway, PA

    I like to have it in on certain putts, usually of length or lots of undulation. Stats on this graphic are interesting!
  5. Andrew A

    Andrew A
    Charlotte, NC

    Its a tough visual change to make after decades of playing with the pin out. I believe that over time, the youth of the game will adopt these analytics and will eventually become the majority where they play with the pin in. To each their own, but the analytics are very interesting!
  6. Steve M

    Steve M
    Hatboro, PA

    so this is saying that a center strike with the pin out from 6 feet and 9 feet only go in 35% and 5%? I find these hard to believe. and the off center figures? I'm thinking there is much more to the data than these stats - including speed, slope, etc. So if I rocket a putt from these distances and it hits the pin, I'm making 100% from 3 & 6 feet and 80/70% from 9 feet?

    If these figures were even remotely accurate I doubt that ANY player on Tour would remove the flag stick.

    There are times that the flag stick help, such as down hill or long distance putts (depth perception).

    Maybe I'm wrong or missing something, but I seriously doubt that pulling the flag stick drops a 6 footer make from 100% to 35%.
  7. Todd T

    Todd T
    San Diego, CA

    Military
    Dont really care, unless its a downhill putt!
  8. Scott P

    Scott P

    Out. I have to make the hole as large as I possibly can.
  9. GMaynard

    GMaynard

    Military
    If its more than 10 ft I leave it in as the visual is better for my old eyes

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